I saw Biden fail to address any issues, lie about debunked stories and lie about Trumps record of achievement and offer platitudes. He certainly didn't offer anything other than platitudes.

I also saw Trump not defend his record particularly well and not finish defensive thoughts that would have helped undecided voters better understand his position.

I also saw Chris Wallace run blocks for Biden when Trump got too close to getting Biden flustered.

I also saw Biden being entirely disrespectful and it probably hurt him but that's hard to say.

I'm not sure if any minds were changed but I'm well informed so I'm not sure what effect it will have on LIVs.

Polls seem to indicate that Trump won the debate and that Biden came third behind Chris Wallace.

We'll see.

Chris Wallace entirely failed in his stated desire to be as invisible as possible.